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de light	The Pregnancy	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1662 (09/04/08 19:55:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I know this was discussed as a spoiler, but now that it's out in the open -- I am excited about it! I am surprising myself a little, but I love Reva and Jeffrey together and I think that this is an awesome new path for them. I saw the discussion of people thinking it's too unrealistic, but I have see way worse...waaaaay worse. I think the explanation they offered was suitable enough, and I really don't care either way - I am looking forward to this storyline!
SueG1962		#1	[-]
Posts: 844 (09/04/08 20:20:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I agree, I think it's a great story for Jeffrey and Reva. Kim and Bradley were wonderful today and so far, it seems as if the story will be written well.
ElizabethF		#2	[-]
Posts: 17186 (09/04/08 21:12:10) Board Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I thought her reaction was so perfect. At first she didn't believe him and then she was so relieved that the cancer was gone...then the shock of the realization of what he had said. Well done, Kim! LOL. I thoroughly enjoyed that! As a mom who was a bit older when she had her baby, I only know TOO WELL the CRAP they put you through. I finally had to ask my doctor to please quit telling me how old I was every time we had an appointment with him. I am fully aware of how old I am and am not too happy to remind my 12 years younger husband of my age that often! LOL. Once a year on my birthday is often enough (Although, the number on my birthday cake has not changed for a while, LOL) It is very SCARY and they are constantly hammering the risks to you. As is routine for pregnant women over a certain age, I had genetic testing, but before the testing they give you counseling. Come to find out, the counseling that they give you is for the "average" person. They should actually wait to talk to you until they get the test results back. The actual results (at least in my case) are so astronomically better than the numbers that they throw at you in the counseling before the testing. I was completely spooked for nothing! Of course, in Reva's situation, it is much more dire because of the cancer. I am FREAKING OUT because of this. I am glad I am not in those shoes. I cannot even imagine having to make that choice. I hope they are able to figure something out!!! What if they do a double mastectomy? I know this is sounding extreme, but I want her to be able to keep that baby and also her life. What are her options? Do we know? Elizabeth
MsDebbie		#3	[-]
Posts: 2248 (09/05/08 05:15:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The risks that were discussed were so scary. I'd be freaking out. I wasn't aware that there were drugs out there to keep the cancer away. My mom had ovarian cancer years ago, and, she had chemo, and as far as I know, that was it. She just has bloodwork done on a regular basis. I really want Reva to have a healthy baby and to remain healthy herself.
ImShellyC		#4	[-]
Posts: 7155 (09/05/08 05:24:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I know that people who have leukemia take a drug that keeps it in remission. I believe it is called Gleevac and women have to go off of it to have a baby so they must weigh the risks. I was not aware of any breast cancer drugs that are taken after treatment. My first cousin is a breast cancer survivor and I don't believe she takes anything. She goes once a year for a check up and testing to be sure it has not returned. I hope that the writers researched this and are not just writing stuff off the top of their head. I think with something like this they need to be as realistic as possible.
Ms Mistoffelees		#5	[-]
Posts: 3094 (09/05/08 05:24:24) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tamoxifen is a drug used for some kinds of breast cancer, as a deterrent to a return. My MIL had a mastectomy many years ago, like twenty, and she was on a five year "trial/study" of Tamoxifen. (glad she didn't have a lover during that time, lol) She doesn't take it now and hasn't for many years, I didn't realize they had moved it to a lifetime drug. It is also used as a fertility drug in some cases, sound like it helps to get a person to ovulate.
mommar699		#6	[-]
Posts: 238 (09/05/08 05:40:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	THIS CAN HAPPEN, IN 1955, MY AUNT HAD ER LAST SON AT 54 THEY DID NOT WANT HER TO HAVE THE BABY TELLING HER ALL THAT COULD GO WRONG YOUR AGE, HER REPLY I WILL HAVE THE BABY, WELL HE TURNED OUT OK, AND SHE LIVED TO SEE HIM MARRIED, WITH A FEW KIDS HIMSELF. SHE DIED AT AGE 94,SHE ALWAYS SAID HE KEPT HER YOUNG. SO I HOPE REVA HAS A HEALTHY BABY, IF THE WRITERS LET HER.
ImShellyC		#7	[-]
Posts: 7157 (09/05/08 06:35:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Now that you mention it Ms. M I have heard of that drug.
Beca Drags		#8	[-]
Posts: 410 (09/05/08 08:05:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I am loving this story and I applaud the writers for taking on this very real story, that is taking Reva and Jeffrey on a daring new path. Yesterday, the story started off wonderfully and realistically by both Jeffrey and Reva reacting with, utter shock, then a few moments of joy, then, confusion, and then fear. All of these emotions were portrayed beautifully by Kim and Bradley. Their amazing, natural chemistry is only enhancing all of the rollercoaster emotions that Jeffrey and Reva are going through. The writing was also spot on and gave us a very plausible explantion for everything, from how the pregnancy could have occured, to pointing out all the challenges and risks that goes along with it. I am surprised that we finally have a story with BOTH competent writing and top notch acting. I hope the writing keeps up with playing out many of these details, that need to be played out on screen to give the story credibility! I love how this bond of this child is only serving to strengthen the deep love that Jeffrey and Reva share, and will create that special bond between a popular loving, soap couple. I was totally hooked at how Jeffrey showed his constant love and concern and comfort for Reva yesterday. The lap snuggle scene was my favorite. Beca
Bayley Rose		#9	[-]
Posts: 452 (09/05/08 08:06:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'm surprised that the doctor didn't mention the possibility of a multiple birth. the older a woman is, the greater the chance for twins. Or more. My siter gave birth to twins when she was 34. No multiples in our family or his, up to that point. Anyway, that would be all Reva needs! As for this pregnancy, I am hoping all goes well. A healthy baby and a healthy Reva!
ElizabethF		#10	[-]
Posts: 17193 (09/05/08 12:19:20) Board Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The reason an older mother has a greater chance for multiple births is because most older women who get pg are using a fertility doctor to do it. The good thing is that they can test for most things without doing an amnio (which has a 1 in 200 chance of miscarriage which is not good odds.) I think she should find out the odds of the cancer recurring if she gets off the drugs for just 6 months. It seems like that would not be that long... or can she get a mastectomy? I doubt they will do surgery on her at 3 mo pg...I hope she can keep the baby. I am so SCARED because she said we would need hankeys in that article....and I almost can't see this show letting Feva have a baby...AKKKK Elizabeth Last Edited By: ElizabethF 09/06/08 11:17:34. Edited 1 times.
SueG1962		#11	[-]
Posts: 845 (09/06/08 05:16:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I am loving this story and so far, the writers and Kim and Bradley are doing a wonderful job. Jeffrey lost Ava and baby Max, and I kind of feel in my heart there will be a healthy baby for Jeffrey and Reva. The "hankies" could come just from the fact all that Reva will have to go through to get this baby. I think that was what KZ was referring to, her age and the cancer. In order to carry the baby, she can't take the drug that keeps the cancer away. Last Edited By: SueG1962 09/06/08 05:19:42. Edited 1 times.
ElizabethF		#12	[-]
Posts: 17198 (09/06/08 11:20:36) Board Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Oh, Sue, I hope you are right! She has already been 3 months, so she only has 7 more to go (it's really more than 9 months, as you know). Poor Reva, she was swigging beer and has already been 3 months on cancer meds. Poor thing! I am sure she will be worried about that! I know so many people who were hammered when they got pg (why they were pg in the first place!) so worried about that until the day they delivered! LOL. I was lucky on that score, I knew exactly when I got pg and knew what not to do (caffine, etc.) I would love for Reva to have a baby at this age. It would be a great story and very with the times. A lot of couples are waiting to have babies these days. Elizabeth
SueG1962		#13	[-]
Posts: 846 (09/06/08 12:15:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Elizabeth, I know that, but I never thought about it, until my nurse daughter explained it. I think she told me the gestation period was 40 weeks. I had her 40 some years ago, but she was 3 1/2 weeks early. What is really funny, my younger daughter says her friend has a picture of her mother when she is pregnant with this friend and she has a cigarette in one hand and a drink in another. I didn't drink or smoke but I know many who did and fortunately the babies were fine. I agree about the story, it is a great story for this day and time.
liz7677		#14	[-]
Posts: 282 (09/06/08 18:56:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I don't know about the cancer drugs but in the book What to Expect when you are Expecting and i can't tell you the chapter it was in because i sold it at a garage sale. It says that if you had a few drinks before you knew don't worry about it just quit now. I didn't know i was pregnant with my first for about 2 and a half months i thought i just didn't feel well and wasn't keeping good track of my periods, and i didn't have too much morning sickness not like with my last 2 but i do know i couldn't figure out why when i tried to drink it made me feel sick. So if Reva was drinking she probably wasn't drinking much. Don't worry my son is 7 and he's a smart and healthy boy and he weighed 9 1/2 pounds at birth.
Beca Drags		#15	[-]
Posts: 411 (09/07/08 10:25:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There are many mothers out there who drank socially, or even tied one on early in their pregnancy, without knowing that they were in fact pregnant. My sister being one of them. She was scared from the moment she found out, since she got pregnant before New Years, and then found out a month later that she was pregnant, during a new years eve, in which she tied one on. The doctor assured her, the baby was fine, and of course, it is not recommended to do this, but, a social drink or even one night of catching a drunken buzz, is not a certainty that it will harm the baby. I do firmly believe they are going to let Feva have this baby. I think first, they would not kill off another baby, so soon, after killing off Max, that would just be too devastating to Jeffrey, and second, I think the real drama here, is all of what Reva and Jeffrey are going to have to go through for this baby, risking Reva's health. So I can see them, giving Feva and the fans this payoff of giving them a healthy baby. Beca
GooeyRN		#16	[-]
Posts: 35 (09/07/08 11:37:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It is an interesting story that I look forward to watching unfold. The alcohol I am not worried about at all. It rarely causes a problem to have a few drinks here and there. Its the frequent drinking and large amounts that is the problem. I do worry about the effects of the oral cancer meds (I assume tamoxifan or other oral chemo) that she took. All of the major systems are created within the first trimester. The chemo could stop growth and create birth defects and/or death. Some cancer meds (methotrexate) are used for therapeutic abortions (for say, tubal pregnancies) to stop growth. The outcome does not look good to me. Realistcally, this baby would not be healthy if survived... But I know I am thinking too much into it... It is just a soap. I am hoping to find out the "cancer" meds she was taking are harmless to the baby.
Billie J		#17	[-]
Posts: 3813 (09/07/08 12:39:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I hope your last sentence was right because I, too, am worried about the cancer meds having already harmed the baby.
de light		#18	[-]
Posts: 1664 (09/07/08 12:47:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The cancer meds that she took were supposed to also be a type of fertility drug. Would a fertility drug have harmful effects on an unborn baby? I am clueless on this as no one that close to me has ever been pregnant nor had cancer. I'm willing to buy whatever story they give me here.
Beca Drags		#19	[-]
Posts: 412 (09/07/08 15:43:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I also don't think the, Tamoxifen, the breast cancer drug, which is also used as a fertility drug, would cause birth defects in a baby. That doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps there are other drugs which Reva was on, could cause birth defects, but, from what I gather, I think it is just the higher age of Reva, that is causing the risk for birth defects, more than any drug she was on. I'm not worried about the alcohol affect either. I think there is enough risks and challenges presented with this story, regarding Reva's age and the breast cancer that are enough to create the drama in this story. Beca
malar2002		#20	[-]
Posts: 6172 (09/07/08 19:55:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Click here for a discussion of Possibility of pregnancy while taking tamoxifen and other related issues that are being discussed on this thread, over at BreastCancer.Org De Light, are you sure that you heard on the show that Reva's anticancer medications were of the fertility-inducing type? That does not make scientific sense to me ... in fact, women, who have taken fertility drugs generally worry about the possible increased risk of cancer from having taken those drugs: click here for more information on that. Malar

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